On Mutuality and Masochism
Relationships. I am terrified of them at times, and people, yet we must have relationships on some level in order to be human, not normal I say, but only human, vulnerable, strong or weak as is our personal nature. We need other people also, even when we believe we do not. Funny, that most times during youth especially, when we are upset or have been hurt, we tell ourselves fiercely, "I don't need anyone!", that is just when we need someone the most. Someone to understand, to care, to sympathize, empathize, whatever one wishes to call it. We wish acceptance of some sort. If we do not wish acceptance, or truly do not care for others and have no compassion, then usually such ones are sociopaths or psychopaths, who fall under categories in the abnormal psychology books and reports. Those who do not even fall into such categories? The gods of the universe help us all, they are more dangerous than any animal however long toothed and clawed. But I am digressing (yet I've heard that in blogs that's alright to do :-)
Back to the type of relationship I wish to relate, but it also includes instances of abnormal psychology, which is why I referenced what I did before:
There is a woman I have come to care for, a good friend. Or was a friend, until perhaps recently. In appearance, beautiful, gentle, strawberry blonde haired and petite, yet with a fierce personality and a painful lash in her soft voice whenever you had displeased her or she perceived that you misunderstood her. I consider myself as sane as possible considering my background, my childhood. Her childhood was a terrible hell compared even to mine, yet it was all under the layer of familial "love" and pseudo-Christianity. I think in some ways this can be worse. To be abused by a stranger is bad enough, but those of one's own family? The lasting psychological scars are unreal.
I've tried to understand her. I've listened. I've given opinions when asked, or when not asked. I've related my mind on certain matters as I felt the freedom to do so, but we continued to go back to two topics that we had difficulty of us to understand the other. Religion and gender. Sometimes also nationality. Without conceit, I say she and I are both intelligent, well read, reasonably open-minded about many aspects of life and living, even when they are different than what we do ourselves.
Religion. I am non-religious, especially in the westernized, Christianized way of things. I have studied many religions, have read the Bible through once than once, as well as a translated Koran. If anything I find many things that speak to my soul in Buddhism, and also Shamanism. Wiccan also appeals to me, as I have long studied the history of pagans (such as Christians call them). I've even studied Satanism, as one of my grandmothers was a well-known witch in her village. Spellbooks, necessary chemicals, herbs, paraphenalia were all common things I saw in her house when visiting. Yet personal belief in religion is not mine.
Religion Part 2. I believe there was a man, who was eventually named the Christ who walked the earth. He was a good and just man, perhaps he was the son of a god, in any case, there were many who came to believe in him and through history as you all know what came about based on his legacy. Mostly violence, injustice, horrors and death though claims are made they base their actions on his words. Hypocrisy, blatant. Yet, I realize there are many who geniunely believe in this Christ, who try to live by his words, who try to do good towards all mankind though we are all imperfect. I have no problem with these ones, but I do have problems with one's who defend Christianity's horrible past to me. I dismiss those ones who try to "convert" me. It's not going to happen. Such was the case with this woman. She has her beliefs, well and good, but do not try to convert me to them. Do not push your beliefs onto me. I do not mind to hear of thoughts and even scriptures, I can quote them as well, but when it is time for me to express my thoughts, why do you not also listen to me?
Gender. I've done my loving of many women. So many beautiful creatures, whether of the soul or of the face and body or both together. But I have great difficulties in maintaining a relationship with one for any length of time. Maybe based on my upbringing, my own experiences and personality, I do not cater to some women the way they wish to be catered to. That pisses them off. And though they might have loved me at some point, I've had holy fucking sexual cut-throat tactics jihads declared against me because I might tell one to shut up and mean it, or clearly state they might have manipulated their other boyfriends or husbands to their satisfaction but it's not going to work with me. I will respect you as you respect me. You want to be an ass, I can be an ass with you, and telling me you have PMS is not going to make me feel sorry for you, or excuse your cursing me out because I didn't wish to see a film you did, didn't go to a restaurant you particularly fancied, or liked someone you hated. I don't care if you get mad, because I can get mad too, and cursing is one of my favorite pasttimes. Women, in my experience, hate that attitude. I was not always so. I used to just keep my mouth shut, look pleasant or pretend I didn't understand, apologize although I wasn't sorry just so they would still care for me. Life is too short for that crap, I realized one day.
Gender Part 2. I stopped being around women very much because there eventually always seemed to be problems, but also because I fell in love with someone of my own gender. Once you have been perceived as hetero and then show you are in fact, bi, that tends to kill the number of women running after you. But the reactions were so much more extreme that I had envisioned. "Coming out" can be hell, as so many of us know. I knew it would be difficult, but not like this, insults, disgust from people, family members and past lovers who looked at me like I was the lowest lifeform in the universe. I clung to the one who loved me like a lifecraft in a open sea, no shore in view. I avoided anyone who might show us intolerance. Usually it was women I had known before who treated me so badly or began to ignore me. I had very little interaction with women except in passing: the clerk at a shop, a waitress, a lacksidasical office worker. I do not feel I began to respect women less, I very much do so still, for so many are hard working, intelligent, strong, but I began to have a fear of seeing disgust in their eyes, repulsion. Slowly, though it took some years, I did start trying again. Often it was fraught with difficulties, because I was quick to redraw in fear of an attack, or quick to be defensive. Some took great patience with me. The friend who encouraged me to blog here is such a one. I had hoped to marry her once. She wasn't having it. Smart girl that she is.
Nationality. I must admit I have the feelings of so many non-American persons when dealing with most Americans who have not traveled, or if they have traveled outside of their own country, have not opened their minds the different cultures, lifestyles and histories, different thought patterns. Sometimes in speaking with the friend I originally mentioned, some comments would just stop me cold because I could not imagine someone could be so narrow-minded or unenlightened about the rest of the world. Often, when I tried to explain why I reacted the way I did, saying, "I can't believe you just said that! That is so not true!" She had no idea of what she had said offensive, of the stereotypes she was playing into, nor was willing to changer her view though obviously incorrect. But she claimed I did the same regarding Americans, stereotyping. I have spent far more time in the US than she has outside of it. She has never traveled to Europe or Asia, Africa, Australia. Granted we all can tend to stereotype or even be prejudiced against something, but the thing is, when someone points it out to you, change your view if its truly incorrect. Why keep it? Why keep yourself ignorant? Yes, I will say, it horrifies me the decibel level many Americans use in every day speaking and addressing each other. It horrified me how so many are religious to the level of absurdity. How so many are willing to vote for officials who encourage attack and war. How so many are willing to accept laws that restrict aspect of personal life that are none of anyone else's business. Yet I know there are many who are good-natured, open-minded, still conservative yet tolerant of other views.
So this female friend and I had difficulties in conversation, besides the fact she said she loved me and wished a relationship (though the next week she said she was joining a convent for a year and would I wait for her), besides the fact she was extremely manic depressive, and I never knew when she was going to come out screaming at me or crying and helplessly calling my name. What kind of relationship can we have together? Friends. This I am willing for, but I think my presence is upsetting to her a good part of the time, and I don't know why, even when I am trying to be as non-confrontational as possible. We know what topics are not good topics for us to discuss, so I try to avoid them, she goes back to them every single time. How to have a friendship, a relationship? I care for her. I worry about her. But I am not a masochist.
Back to the type of relationship I wish to relate, but it also includes instances of abnormal psychology, which is why I referenced what I did before:
There is a woman I have come to care for, a good friend. Or was a friend, until perhaps recently. In appearance, beautiful, gentle, strawberry blonde haired and petite, yet with a fierce personality and a painful lash in her soft voice whenever you had displeased her or she perceived that you misunderstood her. I consider myself as sane as possible considering my background, my childhood. Her childhood was a terrible hell compared even to mine, yet it was all under the layer of familial "love" and pseudo-Christianity. I think in some ways this can be worse. To be abused by a stranger is bad enough, but those of one's own family? The lasting psychological scars are unreal.
I've tried to understand her. I've listened. I've given opinions when asked, or when not asked. I've related my mind on certain matters as I felt the freedom to do so, but we continued to go back to two topics that we had difficulty of us to understand the other. Religion and gender. Sometimes also nationality. Without conceit, I say she and I are both intelligent, well read, reasonably open-minded about many aspects of life and living, even when they are different than what we do ourselves.
Religion. I am non-religious, especially in the westernized, Christianized way of things. I have studied many religions, have read the Bible through once than once, as well as a translated Koran. If anything I find many things that speak to my soul in Buddhism, and also Shamanism. Wiccan also appeals to me, as I have long studied the history of pagans (such as Christians call them). I've even studied Satanism, as one of my grandmothers was a well-known witch in her village. Spellbooks, necessary chemicals, herbs, paraphenalia were all common things I saw in her house when visiting. Yet personal belief in religion is not mine.
Religion Part 2. I believe there was a man, who was eventually named the Christ who walked the earth. He was a good and just man, perhaps he was the son of a god, in any case, there were many who came to believe in him and through history as you all know what came about based on his legacy. Mostly violence, injustice, horrors and death though claims are made they base their actions on his words. Hypocrisy, blatant. Yet, I realize there are many who geniunely believe in this Christ, who try to live by his words, who try to do good towards all mankind though we are all imperfect. I have no problem with these ones, but I do have problems with one's who defend Christianity's horrible past to me. I dismiss those ones who try to "convert" me. It's not going to happen. Such was the case with this woman. She has her beliefs, well and good, but do not try to convert me to them. Do not push your beliefs onto me. I do not mind to hear of thoughts and even scriptures, I can quote them as well, but when it is time for me to express my thoughts, why do you not also listen to me?
Gender. I've done my loving of many women. So many beautiful creatures, whether of the soul or of the face and body or both together. But I have great difficulties in maintaining a relationship with one for any length of time. Maybe based on my upbringing, my own experiences and personality, I do not cater to some women the way they wish to be catered to. That pisses them off. And though they might have loved me at some point, I've had holy fucking sexual cut-throat tactics jihads declared against me because I might tell one to shut up and mean it, or clearly state they might have manipulated their other boyfriends or husbands to their satisfaction but it's not going to work with me. I will respect you as you respect me. You want to be an ass, I can be an ass with you, and telling me you have PMS is not going to make me feel sorry for you, or excuse your cursing me out because I didn't wish to see a film you did, didn't go to a restaurant you particularly fancied, or liked someone you hated. I don't care if you get mad, because I can get mad too, and cursing is one of my favorite pasttimes. Women, in my experience, hate that attitude. I was not always so. I used to just keep my mouth shut, look pleasant or pretend I didn't understand, apologize although I wasn't sorry just so they would still care for me. Life is too short for that crap, I realized one day.
Gender Part 2. I stopped being around women very much because there eventually always seemed to be problems, but also because I fell in love with someone of my own gender. Once you have been perceived as hetero and then show you are in fact, bi, that tends to kill the number of women running after you. But the reactions were so much more extreme that I had envisioned. "Coming out" can be hell, as so many of us know. I knew it would be difficult, but not like this, insults, disgust from people, family members and past lovers who looked at me like I was the lowest lifeform in the universe. I clung to the one who loved me like a lifecraft in a open sea, no shore in view. I avoided anyone who might show us intolerance. Usually it was women I had known before who treated me so badly or began to ignore me. I had very little interaction with women except in passing: the clerk at a shop, a waitress, a lacksidasical office worker. I do not feel I began to respect women less, I very much do so still, for so many are hard working, intelligent, strong, but I began to have a fear of seeing disgust in their eyes, repulsion. Slowly, though it took some years, I did start trying again. Often it was fraught with difficulties, because I was quick to redraw in fear of an attack, or quick to be defensive. Some took great patience with me. The friend who encouraged me to blog here is such a one. I had hoped to marry her once. She wasn't having it. Smart girl that she is.
Nationality. I must admit I have the feelings of so many non-American persons when dealing with most Americans who have not traveled, or if they have traveled outside of their own country, have not opened their minds the different cultures, lifestyles and histories, different thought patterns. Sometimes in speaking with the friend I originally mentioned, some comments would just stop me cold because I could not imagine someone could be so narrow-minded or unenlightened about the rest of the world. Often, when I tried to explain why I reacted the way I did, saying, "I can't believe you just said that! That is so not true!" She had no idea of what she had said offensive, of the stereotypes she was playing into, nor was willing to changer her view though obviously incorrect. But she claimed I did the same regarding Americans, stereotyping. I have spent far more time in the US than she has outside of it. She has never traveled to Europe or Asia, Africa, Australia. Granted we all can tend to stereotype or even be prejudiced against something, but the thing is, when someone points it out to you, change your view if its truly incorrect. Why keep it? Why keep yourself ignorant? Yes, I will say, it horrifies me the decibel level many Americans use in every day speaking and addressing each other. It horrified me how so many are religious to the level of absurdity. How so many are willing to vote for officials who encourage attack and war. How so many are willing to accept laws that restrict aspect of personal life that are none of anyone else's business. Yet I know there are many who are good-natured, open-minded, still conservative yet tolerant of other views.
So this female friend and I had difficulties in conversation, besides the fact she said she loved me and wished a relationship (though the next week she said she was joining a convent for a year and would I wait for her), besides the fact she was extremely manic depressive, and I never knew when she was going to come out screaming at me or crying and helplessly calling my name. What kind of relationship can we have together? Friends. This I am willing for, but I think my presence is upsetting to her a good part of the time, and I don't know why, even when I am trying to be as non-confrontational as possible. We know what topics are not good topics for us to discuss, so I try to avoid them, she goes back to them every single time. How to have a friendship, a relationship? I care for her. I worry about her. But I am not a masochist.
